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Forza 3 Dev Labels GT Series "Stagnant" News

Turn 10 expresses surprise at Polyphony Digital making an appearance to check out the competition...

By Chris Leyton
Posted: 08/06/2009
Forza Motorsport 3

The competition between Forza Motorsport 3 and Gran Turismo 5 intensified last week, with both titles making an appearance (of sorts) at E3.  Speaking in the latest Turn 10 blog, Che Chou stoked the rivalry even further with suggestions that the Gran Turismo series has been "stagnant" since GT3.

Following the surprise appearance of a couple of Polyphony Digital studio members to get hands on with Forza 3, Chou reported:

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren't generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

Perhaps the gradual refinement that the Gran Turismo series has been built on is a little too subtle for the brash purveyors of innovation at Turn 10? 

Perhaps nothing comes close to 'Drivatar' technology (no mention in Forza 3 so far) and features such as support for three linked screens that only a small minority get to enjoy?

Perhaps GT fans just like to enjoy the actual driving experience instead of spending hours creating livery masterpieces?

One thing's for sure, we doubt Polyphony Digital will borrow the "rewind" feature from GRID that is making an appearance in Forza 3.

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User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Tue 03rd Nov 2009 05:17, Post No: 134

warning to anyone on xbox live if you bump into the gamertag vettefan88 instantly file a complaint as this guy is using hex edditors to cheat in live games

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Mon 02nd Nov 2009 21:18, Post No: 133

continued from post 132 i defended this game for ages only now i see little point as it as just an extension to forza 2 i cant see it as a new game so now i like many will wait for a truely new racing game only its on ps3 (sorry to any 360 fans but GT5 will crush forza 3) yep GT5 is the racing game im waiting for and im hopeing its nothing like forza 3 (better graphics, better cars, better choice of cars, better priced cars, better looking environments ect ect) forza 3 reminds me of playing vrally 3 on the dreamcast the sceenary by the side of the track surrounded by a wall disguised as trees. 60fps is nice but not if it means less cars on track or limited graphics, turn 10 need to make a new game engin for forza instead of useing one from the first xbox and just upscaling it.

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Mon 02nd Nov 2009 21:09, Post No: 132

lol nice job with the achievements and car prices this time the games too easy to complete and nearly all of the cars except for the ones that you win will be used the rest like the shelby daytona or the ferrari 250 wont as there stupidly expencive and youll need to do atleast 10 endurance races just to buy 1 of them cars. the rest of the cars (the normal ones) will be ignored by most people so all together any DLC had better include new achievements as the current achievements can be had within a week apart from the 100,000 drift lap achievement  which is to be honest very hard unlike the rest which you can do blindfolded.

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Thu 29th Oct 2009 00:05, Post No: 131

sorry but it looks to me that there are just to many GT fanboys that just wont accept that forza 3 is a great racing game and i havnt heard or seen any commnets from microsoft or turn 10 stating that forza 3 has better physics and graphics than GT but to say no one pays better if any attention to detail than what GT does is clearly dumb GT has great physics and yes there is lots of detail in there but turn 10 hasnt just bolted a small amount of detail, at least they have tried to make a comparable racing simulation rather than a complete copy.

instead of defending GT and slating any racing sim that comes close to GT in terms of detail and physics accept the fact that as one game pushes closer to GTs depth and detail GT will just get better and better other than the fact that forza 3 is only on the 360 and GT is only on the playstation so whats the need for all this debate about physics and detail when the two games are not even on the same console.

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Wed 28th Oct 2009 22:20, Post No: 130

"To the dude who said the GT series has poor physics, I have one question; Have you evr driven a real car??"

I've owned a huge range of cars too numerous to mention, perfomance Jap imports, American muscle cars, classic cars & motor bikes, i've done Caterham 7 racing which is a lot of fun & not too expensive & thanks to a friend of mine who is a racing marshall i've got to test drive some cars i could never afford.

"no one pays any better attention to detail than GT does, NOBODY! PERIOD!"

If you are talking about "graphical detail" & exclude PC games then there may be a little bit of truth in that statement, i've already stated that Polyphony Digital's games look stunning "graphically" but if you think the physics are better than Forza's then i'd have to question either your honesty or your ability to judge.

Calling Forza a GT "rip-off" kind of answers that last question, i don't really care who did what first, all games borrow from other games, GT wasn't the first ever racing game & even if it had been what difference what it make?

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Tue 27th Oct 2009 17:43, Post No: 129

oh look post 127 wants a job working for sony and polyphony digital stupid fanboy heres a fact for you, no one cares about GT5P or GT in general forza 3 is on the 360 and GT5P/GT5 is on the ps3 so no 360 owners realy care about your comment no matter how much of a fanboy you are.

i also like the way you contradict your self by saying youll wait for a real racing game to come out where there are loads already unless your forgetting about GT5P so i guess thats not a real racing game either lol.

oh and i hope tvg took note of your ip adderss so the US govenment can sue your a.ss for pirate material and illegal downloading of copy right software (youll probably download GT5 aswell cause your that much of a cheap skate)

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Tue 27th Oct 2009 16:46, Post No: 128

lol post 127 fanboy posters like you always chat sh.it about racing games in general unless there on there favorite console, and unless im mistaken but GTR on the pc did a fantastic job of simulating car physics in fact you could say there physics were better than GT's.

ive got forza 3 and i cant see where this unrealistic physics are and in march next year unless GT5 goes gold ill be getting that too, anyway where did turn 10 ever say forza 3 is more realistic and has better physics than GT5 WHERE !!! (another stupid fanboy trying to create a stupid fanboy grudge match).

theres no question forza 3 is a good racing game with huge depth and itll take most casual gamers weeks to complete plus lots of car pack's (DLC).

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Tue 27th Oct 2009 05:09, Post No: 127

To the dude who said the GT series has poor physics, I have one question; Have you evr driven a real car?? I have been lucky enough to drive some high end vehicles, and GT5P has better physics than this rip-off(Forza 3) has. This game basically has the same cars! And no one pays any better attention to detail than GT does, NOBODY! PERIOD! It's not opinion, it's fact! I am severely disappointed in this game(Forza 3), mostly because its lack of detail. It's the little things that count, which is why Forza 3 doesn't. This game should be an arcade racer. I am glad i didn't buy it, just downloaded it. I'll set my $60 aside for a real racing game, whenever it comes out ;)

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Fri 23rd Oct 2009 14:05, Post No: 126

The score doesn't reflect the text. What other great racing game gives you 30 hours of enjoyment, being able to collect and tune, paint, style all the cars you ever liked?

The AI isn't that bad and you don't have to use the rewind, I will, because I hate re-playing stuff, but everything will still be on hardcore settings, player choice...

User avatar By: Anonymous

Added:Fri 23rd Oct 2009 04:08, Post No: 125

If you read my post again PROPERLY you'll see that i said "GT5 prologue was an over priced demo & Shift is only slightly above mediocre"

Then i said "Forza is a SIM not a arcade gimmick racer", my implication was that by marking it down for not having lots of gimicky modes ("drift" & "rally challenges") that are more commonly associated with arcade racers, that you are trying to compare it with something it's not trying to be.

On top of that you make the new OPTIONAL rewind out to be a negative because you have no self control? 

Hardcore race enthusiasts like myself will never use rewind but better reviewers than you have pointed out that rewind along with the many assists make the game more accessible to novices without impacting on the hardcore race fans.

"Referring to Shift as an arcade racer just shows that you haven't actually played the game."

As i've already stated, i didn't actually call GT or Shift arcade racers but i can tell you i have played all the games i comment on, i OWN GT1 through GT4 on PS1 & PS2, i've rented only rented Prologue for 2 reasons,

1. I've gradually lost interest in the series because as stunning as the graphics always are in Polyphony Digital's games, they still haven't properly addressed the same old problems such as dumb AI, poor physics no damage modeling, Forza is easily my favorite choice now with great physics, superb handling & pretty good AI.

2. Prologue was over priced for what was little more than a demo.

Back when i used to buy every race game going i owned all the Need for Speed games up to Underground 2, since that time i have played, rented or demoed just about every other version including Shift which you'll notice i rate as "only slightly above mediocre", i have a much harsher opinion of Undercover, ProStreet etc.

So disagree with my views by all means, i certainly disagree with yours, but don't try and tell me what i have or haven't played because i dare say in my 40 odd years i've played more driving games & most likely driven more cars than you.

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